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Is Tim Tebow worth a first round pick?

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No
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Poll created on: Sep-02-09 5:20:56:pm

Areopogus
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Re: Tim Tebow

There are tons more positions than QB and every draft doesn't have a good QB in it.  It's always one of the riskiest positions to draft because since most defense in college football is SOOOO TERRIBLE it makes really mediocre QB's look good.  Sam Bradford will be the next victim of playing in a conference with cupcake defenses and putting up good numbers.  Well, the stupid team that drafts him will be the victim.

The 2008 Draft was an anomaly, just like the 2004 draft.  Those drafts have panned out like this:

2004:

Phillip Rivers--you can argue he's the most accurate passer in the NFL and has no WR's to throw to.  Antonio Gates is good, but a solid tight end can only take you so far.

About 1-2 notches below that is:

Eli Manning--he has a stellar defense to play behind which takes pressure off him to make big plays but he's a top 10 QB in the league.

About 5 notches below that which is still about 10 above most:

Big Ben--he's solid and a game manager but nothing more.  Perfect fit for the Steelers because they can know that their QB won't loose them many games and all they have to do is give him tons of extra possessions via defense.

Getting 1 superstar, 1 star, and 1 semi-star all in 1 draft doesn't happen often.

In 2008 with Ryan and Joe Flacco it's still too close to tell just how good they will be but both are poised to be top 10 good.  My gut tells me Ryan is the much better QB.  Flacco will be more of a Big Ben IMO b/c he has a Stellar defense that can hide many of his flaws.  Ryan's defense...not so much.  That sucks for us b/c he's in our division!


Anyways, my point is, to say that Tim Tebow being possibly the best QB in the draft doesn't mean it's weak.  Drafts rarely have top tier QB's in them.  Of the 3 big names in the 2010 draft, this thread is simply saying Tebow might be the best.  I see that as a good thing because he is way better than people give him credit for.


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jayj6
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Re: Tim Tebow

Tebow will be exposed as the system guy that he is is my gut feeling.  Any QB that takes the majority of their snaps from the shotgun is unimpressive.  Any QB running a system line up like Tebow is even more unimpressive.

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PanthersClawzRComin2Town
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Re: Tim Tebow

So throwing 30 TDs to 4 INTs isn't impressive?? Or having a ridiculous QB rating, or leading a team to National Championship, or winning a Heisman are all unimpressive??

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The criticism is not that his stats aren't good, but that historically, when QB's who line up a lot in the shotgun and run a "system-oriented" playbook don't make it big in the NFL and are 'busts.' 

While there is a lot of truth to that, my argument is that those QB's are busts b/c they get cocky in college and don't come to the game with the proper, professional mindset.

Tebow is dedicated and a proven leader and winner.  That's why he's going to be a stud in the NFL.


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therev
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The list is too long, and time won't permit...but I can fairly well recall  as far back as 1958, how about you? I don't deny Tebow is a great player, team leader and a young man of sterling character...but to make the case that he's the best in the history of college football is a stretch at least, and illogical to begin with.  The biggest reason is the game has radically changed over the last 50 years.  It's not the same game.  Now, if your argument covered say, the last 10 years...then you may have an argument.  Players are bigger, faster, stronger than 20-50 years ago...not to mention the difference in defenses and offenses.  There was a day when you put your best 11 on the field and they played both ways....but not today...the game's too specialized.


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Re: Tim Tebow

For the record, I knew Tebow was going to be a stud when he gave his speech after the Ole Miss loss.  That was truly epic.  Not only did his words sound like a movie climax, but he backed them up every bit by bringing home the title for the second time in his career.


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PanthersClawzRComin2Town
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Re: Tim Tebow

It would be awesome to see him making a speech like that in a Panthers uniform.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sGv2Zw-WQw

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