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Danger
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What Henning ran here wasn't the Wildcat.  It was purely a single wing where the ball was snapped to Deangelo and he ran it.  No trickery, he just pounded the rock.

What Lee did was create a style of play based on the single-wing in the sense that the ball is snapped directly to the RB or whomever and then there's some craziness and misdirection that occurs to try and trick the defense to get the runner into the open field.

Similar on paper, but vastly different in actual execution.


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Danger wrote:

What Lee did was create a style of play based on the single-wing in the sense that the ball is snapped directly to the RB or whomever and then there's some craziness and misdirection that occurs to try and trick the defense to get the runner into the open field.
I agree that Lee took the concept and made it what it is today for the Dolphins after convincing Sparano to add it. However, he did not invent the wildcat concept, Henning is not unfamiliar with the concept and Lee does not call the plays during the game.

So, the point was that the current OC for the Dolphins calls a vastly different set of plays then when that OC was with the Panthers. Someone made the implication that the difference is because of Lee. I disagree with that implication and agree with the point made in an earlier post that the OC and DC reflect the wishes and style of the head coach and Henning is a good example of that.

However this doesn't mean I think Fox is a bad coach and should be fired.


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jayj6
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Koguma wrote:

jayj6 wrote:

Under David Lee you mean.  How often does a QB coach get a shoutout on MNF several times when play calling is being discussed?  There is a reason they said the name David Lee several times last night.  Look it up if you are curious why.
David Lee has experience with the wildcat formation having run it at Arkansas. Henning, however, ran it the year before for, who else, the Panthers! So it is not like David Lee brought it to the Dolphins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_formation

Also David Lee does not call plays on game day, I think that would be the OC, Henning.

David Lee gets props for perfecting the wildcat at Miami. Henning gets props for calling the wildcat plays.

I like Fox as a head coach, but you and I have to face the reality that the OC and DC reflect the style of their boss.
Thanks for providing a link to prove my point. 

"Relying on the experience of quarterbacks coach David Lee who had run the scheme at Arkansas, the 2008 Miami Dolphins implemented the Wildcat offense beginning in the third game of the 2008 season with great success, instigating a wider trend throughout the NFL"

The Wildcat was popularized on the college level by current Auburn offensive coordinator Gus Malzahn, and current Miami Dolphins quarterback coach David Lee in their former jobs as offensive coordinator with the Arkansas Razorbacks. In 2006, Malzahn, and in 2007 Lee, was the offensive coordinator for the Arkansas Razorbacks football team. They both ran a variation of the Wildcat formation in which running backs Darren McFadden and Felix Jones were prominently featured.



Funny how it mentions little of this Henning a guy. Lee has been credited by Sparano himself as "developing the majority of the wildcat plays."  Henning may call them but Lee actually wrote them up.  Another little know fact the single wing was a device Fox himself advocated for with Henning who at the time was OC after weinke sucked.

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jayj6 wrote:

Henning may call them but...
You dodge the point. While Lee is credited with the Miami version of the wildcat, the point is, as you yourself acknowledge, the OC calls the plays. Henning calls the plays Sparano approves just like when he was here he called the plays Fox approved.


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No that was exactly my point.  Just added who was actually responsible for the "wildcat" and another little known fact that Fox was the one who wanted to run it here and actually wanted to do it with Davis and Foster but we could not but one of the reasons we went after D Will.

But again thanks for the link!  lol

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