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What is it going to take to be a consistent contender?

The ultimate goal every year is to win a SB.  With the way the NFL is now it is almost impossible to win that every year, but that is the goal and every fan wants their team to be a continual contender.  I believe that panthers are close and that it may only take a couple of things to get us there, which I have listed as follows

QB Play: In almost every single loss our QB has cost us the game. This season we have lost to Philly, Dallas, Buffalo, and NYJ, which were all because of Delhomme's game breaking interceptions. That leaves 3 losses in our season that were not due to QB play.  Our losses to ATL and NO were hard fought losses to good teams and there is no shame in it.  The beauty of a John Fox system is that we don't need a peyton Manning QB.  We simply need a QB to complete passes on play-action and not turn the ball over.

DT: If this season has shown us anything apart from the QB situation it is that we need another big run stopping DT up front.  After we lost Kemo we were giving up huge chucks of yardage till Thomas came into town.  We are still struggling in the run game some, but I think that has to do with the large amount of injuries to our D-line and our LBs.

I really think we are only a good QB and a DT or two away from being the team that can challenge every year.  Moore may be that guy, but only time will tell us that.

What are your thoughts on what its going to take?


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Re: What is it going to take to be a consistent contender?

Add better recieving 2nd WR.


"This is blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They're back! There's no choice left. And I'm ready for war."

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Re: What is it going to take to be a consistent contender?

I think its going to take a new head coach. I just dont see this team buying into Fox's plan anymore. He had a good run but this team needs a new attitude. In my opinion Cowher is the best man for the job. I know alot of people may disagree with me but he won a superbowl with a strong defense and an average QB at the time. I dont see there being a franchise QB out there that can turn this team around on his own. Its going to take a new scheme with the players already in place for the most part. There may be some minor shuffling especially on the D-line for the reasons you referred to but I dont think there's any specific position  upgrades thats going to create better than average results if Fox is still the coach.


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Re: What is it going to take to be a consistent contender?

Danger wrote:

Add better recieving 2nd WR.
Ditto's...finding the means to take sum of the double trouble coverage off of 89 is critical...the Carolina passing game or lack there of is not all because the Q's short comings...while they could & would improve the passing game...given the fact he/89 would still be double covered a great deal of the time...brees, brady, manning---Carolina would probly be one of the last places/teams they would choose to play for...because of the lack of any quality...NFL high quality...in the #2-3 Wr spots...


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Re: What is it going to take to be a consistent contender?

I agree we need a more than serviceable #2 threat opposite Smitty. We need a duet at WR like we have at RB. The only problem with drafting WRs is that you often get a Mike Williams or Charles Rogers as opposed to a Calvin Johnson. We need a mammoth receiver (over 6'3" IMO) that can go get the tough catches across the middle, with a bit of a burner to him. And also one who can run block like Moose. Is that so much to ask for? LOL! Seriously though, that's the kind of guy that will make our QB play more consistent, our run game the most feared in the NFL, and keep our defense off the field for extended periods of the game.

As for DT, I agree we are in need there as well. I'm not sure we'll have total faith in the fat man when he comes back after his training camp knee injury. Hollis Thomas has been really great, but he's been in the league for what - 15 years now? I'd say he's not gonna be around much longer. We gotta get young in the middle. And Damien Lewis is no spring chicken either. However, we've got Corey Irvin and Tank Tyler on IR. Those guys are young enough to come back from injury and compete for Lewis' spot as the "speed DT".


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Re: What is it going to take to be a consistent contender?

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As for DT, I agree we are in need there as well. I'm not sure we'll have total faith in the fat man when he comes back after his training camp knee injury. Hollis Thomas has been really great, but he's been in the league for what - 15 years now? I'd say he's not gonna be around much longer. We gotta get young in the middle. And Damien Lewis is no spring chicken either. However, we've got Corey Irvin and Tank Tyler on IR. Those guys are young enough to come back from injury and compete for Lewis' spot as the "speed DT".
Don't forget Leonard Louis on IR, too.

We've been quietly loading up on several high-upside, young DT's, so I don't think there are many scenarios where we'd keep Thomas and Kemo, especially since Kemo is set to get a big paycheck and he's coming off of a major injury.

IMO, our DT corps next season will consist of Hayden, Louis, Tyler, Lewis, and Irvin in no particular order unless we do something else over the offseason that I cannot forsee.


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Re: What is it going to take to be a consistent contender?

Well I guess you all know I'm going with UNCPanther on this one. You can get DTs galore and put Larry Fitzgerald opposite Smitty if you could, but as long as Fox is allowing the draw play on 3rd and long, as long as we still refuse to blitz especially when we're being blitzed to death and loyalty to counter productive players costs us 5 games of our season (Talbot you forgot that game @ ATL we were down by a touchdown and 2 point conversion driving in the redzone and Jake throws a pick in the endzone), we will NEVER be consistent winners. Fox has proven that to us beyond a shadow of a doubt!  You gotta start with Fox if not you have what we have now a collection of wasted talent!

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